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welcome back now the uh last time he was

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with us he had just won many new

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admirers after facing down his

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interrogators in the US Senate committee

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it was memorable for all the right

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reasons since then of course there was

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that Infamous episode on Celebrity Big

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Brother which was probably memorable for

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all the wrong reasons however this week

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he's probably very pleased with himself

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with Tony Blair's swan song at the labor

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Party Conference will you welcome please

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George

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hello George you're very welcome back

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nice to see you again um let's talk

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about that first were you pleased that

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Tony's finally shuffling off the uh

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labor party stage well I thought it was

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it was deranged I mean as as a piece of

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work his conference speech was

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magnificent but if you look at it on the

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page it's absolutely Bonkers so better

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off it's all in the delivery yeah it's

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the way he tells them uh but uh you know

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he did a lot lot of damage to not only

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Britain and the world but to the to the

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labor party he's thrown away two big

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majorities you must be pleased then that

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Gordon Brown to the left of the party is

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coming in to take his place well I'm the

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I'm the author are we are we past the

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Watershed we are yeah what time are I'm

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the author of the phrase that Blair and

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brown are two cheeks of the same ARs and

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uh and I'm afraid you're going to

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discover that that there's no difference

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uh at all bit like Irish politics where

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they're all

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different cheeks of the same ARS you are

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familiar with our political system are

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you well yeah I'm following the travails

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of your prime minister you met him I

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have uh in fact I've sat at Celtic park

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with him more than once I quite like him

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as a person I must tell you and I'm in

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the I'm a bit sorry no we didn't have a

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whip round for him if I'd known if I'd

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known he needed it if I'd known he

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needed it I might have organized it but

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like uh ber and I'm sorry that this has

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happened to him but uh the real problem

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is that the political parties is at

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least the mainstream political parties

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are here are different cheeks of the

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same ARS yeah you did though um talk to

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berti about your concerns didn't you

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about Iraq and all of that well just

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funny you should say that because

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actually I ranted and raved at him about

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the use of Shannon Airport for the war

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and uh Ireland's position uh uh on it

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neutrality was being compromised and so

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on and so on and he agreed with every

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word I said and yeah he was the Prime

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Minister that was implementing the uh

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the policy and someone told me later it

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didn't matter what you said berti agrees

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with everybody and then does what he

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wants to do anyway yeah exactly um the

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Tony Blair thing though did you ever

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have a sort of a onetoone conversation

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with them about you know where you

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thought he was going well you know he

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said on television uh recently that he

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was surprised by how things had turned

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out in Iraq but he had no right to be

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surprised because I told him manto man

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just me and him outside the gentleman's

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lavatory in the library Corridor of the

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House of Commons I told them everything

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that would happen in Iraq if he did it

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and everything that I said turned out to

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be right but the disturbing thing is

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that it didn't seem to matter to him how

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dramatically I painted what the post-war

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situation would be I said it will not be

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the beginning of the end when Baghdad

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Falls just the end of the beginning the

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Iraqis will fight you with their teeth

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if necessary for as long as necessary

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there'll be car bombs suicide bombs

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extremists you said all this I said

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they'll be coming from all over the

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world like uh like bees to a honey pot

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that was actually more graphic than that

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but I'm not but but but Jack straw said

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today as you know that um you know he

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blamed the Americans he said if they'd

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listen to co and Powell because Co and

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pow in the first um exercise in Kuwait

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he made sure that they had such

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overwhelming force that no matter what

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happened afterwards they were in a

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position to ple the aftermath they

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didn't listen to Pal and now Jack straw

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said they should have they were wrong

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it's dire and it's the Americans fault

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well isn't that funny that the only

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person who apologized at the labor

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conference last week was John Prescott

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and that was for fiddling with his

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secretary's

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drawers uh the the men like straw and

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Blair who caused the deaths of hundreds

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of thousands of people and the

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destabilization of the whole world

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scaring the face of the intern

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legal and political system bringing the

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UN into disrepute and the rest they're

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still sitting as bold as brass and none

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of them you're talking you you think

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that they were war criminals oh they for

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me Blair should leave Downing Street not

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in tears like Mrs sture but in handcuffs

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in fact I think him and Bush should be

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incarcerated for the rest of their

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natural preferably in a Cell

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together at the he though I must say

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putting putting Mr Blair in a cell with

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George Bush for the rest of his life

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would probably constitute

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torture

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um I think though you would probably

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have to concede that George Bush

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believes what he's doing well you know

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in other words he doesn't see himself as

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a sinner he sees himself doing perhaps

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God's work well in fact I think that's

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absolutely right George Bush told us

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that he hears voices he actually told an

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Israeli newspaper that God told them to

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attack Afghanistan God told them no

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wonder he speaks in tongues he's hearing

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voices like every serial killer in

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history he's hearing voices that are

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telling him what to do now God save us

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from Messianic political leaders who

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think that God is directly talking to

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them and telling them what to do but

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we've had the bad luck to have two

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Messianic leaders at the same time in

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Washington and London and that's why the

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world's such a dangerous place but what

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Tony Blair said the other day at the

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conference he said look you know

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half-hearted support of the United

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States they don't understand sometimes s

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you make difficult decisions I made a

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decision to support the Americans

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perhaps I was wrong but the one thing

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the British people will not forgive you

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for is for not making a decision well he

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made a decision which was so

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catastrophically wrong that he should

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end up on trial for it I mean it's not a

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small matter it's not like getting the

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rate of interest wrong or the level of

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income tax wrong or the roote of a

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Motorway wrong we're talking about the

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deaths of hundreds of thousands of

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people and the Fanning of flames of

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hatred and radicalization across the

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entire world hang on talking about the

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world if they had done it right if it

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hadn't been this doctrine of minimum

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force or minimum force as the Rumsfeld

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Doctrine if they put massive forces in

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there they could have policed it

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afterwards and done it right

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shakespare treason never prospers for if

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it prospers none dare call it treason

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it's true we wouldn't be having this

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discussion if their criminal War had

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gone well but what do you say about a

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policy that turns out not just to be a

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crime

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but to be a blunder something which is a

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crime and a blunder which has achieved

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the opposite of the effect that it was

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supposed to which has made thousands of

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new Benin laddin in fact tens of

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thousands of new bin laddin you've got a

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billion and a half Muslims out there

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boiling with anger at us made the whole

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world a much more dangerous place left

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your own country not trusting a word you

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say I mean the reason Blair is going

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because nobody believes them any longer

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just the Egypts and the Bubble at the

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labor Party Conference the rest of the

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country no longer believes is in the

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audience at the editor Miguel you would

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take issue with George I would I uh well

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I I just think I'd be wonderful to have

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as simple uh a view of the world as

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George has I mean the if these men are

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evil men and are war criminals what does

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that h mean that Saddam Hussein is uh

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this is a man who invaded two

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neighboring countries a force for

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instability for 10 to 15 years massacred

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hundreds of of thousands of civilians

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not debts which happened through matters

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of war or air strikes you know Blair

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didn't willingly go out inside I think

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I'll gas the Kurds I think I'll gas the

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people of Birmingham or I'll kill

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hundreds of thousands of Shiite Muslims

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in the South as Sadam did this is a man

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who George used to go over and cozy up

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to and thought he could find reasonable

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H perhaps that was the two cheeks of the

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same ARS there that you were kissing at

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the time and you've made a career of it

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I Mar your principles and I know your

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motivation and so on but I think your

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view is utterly wrongheaded and the

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fluency with which you delivered I think

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is really damaging because it means that

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throughout the world where we have

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people like Saddam or Hitler or mugabi

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or the situation in Myanmar we can't

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intervene because you'll come along and

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say immediately that those Democratic

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countries doing so with or without a un

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mandate are war criminals where'd you

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get that egy he's the editor Migel he's

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a respected journalist charge then

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George make a career out of I don't even

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know who you are so you're not anybody

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charge not a c do matter like you are it

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does matter it does matter now that I

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know you're the editor of Mill it's

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absolutely shocking that an editor is so

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ignorant and Ill informed about these

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great issues first of all he's got all

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his numbers wrong we've killed far more

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Iraqis than Saddam Hussein ever did s

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I'm coming I'm dealing with Saddam

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Hussein when Britain and America were

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arming Saddam Hussein I was outside his

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Embassy demonstrating for human rights

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and for justice in Iraq and being

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denounced by the British and American

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governments and the big newspapers for

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causing trouble because Saddam was a a

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bom buddy of Britain and America you

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want to talk about gassing the cards who

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sold them the gas it wasn't me

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that's you want to start the clock when

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you want to start it you could go back

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and back forever like they armed Iraq to

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to to match Iran moved to 1990 when

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Saddam invaded KU why do you want to

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start the story at no you want to start

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the story at 19 to 1945 well no no don't

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1988 1988 just two years before the date

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you want to start on the bombing of the

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Kurds in halabja was done with weapons

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given to Saddam by Britain and America

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and West Germany done by Saddam yes but

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he was able to do it because of weapons

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that we gave him because of the immoral

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principle

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that was in Vogue at the time that my

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enemy's enemy is my friend the very

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principle which brought us Usama Bin

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Laden Bin Laden was equally armed and

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supported by Britain and America because

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we thought that you could have a tiger

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by the tail we now know differently guns

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and weapons are sold throughout the

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world the wrong

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hands end up in the wrong hands they

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ended up in the hands they were intended

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to what was your solution against

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sanctions you're against sanctions lad

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Bin Laden I'm speaking through the chair

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because that's what I'm used to to doing

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we're going to have a Harang I wasn't

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expecting this but you're welcome a St

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you're welcome to have a stairhead with

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me I'll

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go I mean you two are never going to

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agree that's for sure well I don't know

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who he is so I don't know if we're ever

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going to agree um forgive can I ask you

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another question George did you say that

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the assassination of Tony Blair could

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morally Justified I said if you were an

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Iraqi whose home had been destroyed

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whose country had been broken into a

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thousand pieces whose Sons were in Abu

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grab prison being tortured whose house

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had been demolished whose job had been

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disappeared and privatized and whose

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Street was occupied by Foreign soldiers

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I have no doubt you could make a good

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moral case for the assassination of if

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you found out of a plot that would do

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for Tony Blair what would you do I I

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would tell him uh I would tell him would

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save his life I would tell him and I'd

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say do you remember that conversation we

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had outside the gentleman's lavatory you

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should have listened to me and hundreds

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of thousands of people that are dead now

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would still be alive the world would not

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be destabilized and the only man in

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Ireland the editor of of Mill would be

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the only man in the country who thinks

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you and Bush did a good job and I think

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that if I got that chance to speak to

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Tony Blair to warn him of that plot it

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would be for this reason that the

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assassination of Blair would merely

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strengthen the hand of people like him

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who want to go around the world invading

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other people's countries setting up

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regimes that are more to their liking

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because they see the world as a kind of

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White Man's Burden that somebody God

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perhaps gave us a job of setting to

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rights in our own image I find that

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attitude disgusting and most disgusting

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in Ireland a country that was occupied

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by colonialism for hundreds of years and

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you've got people justifying colonialism

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now calling themselves editors of

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radical magazines would you have tackled

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Franco or Hitler no I would have been in

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the front line against Hitler I would

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have been in the front line against

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Hitler there's intervention for no no

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that's not intervention Hitler Hitler

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was the most powerful dictator in

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Mainland Europe with a powerful

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industrialized State an army of millions

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of people who was on the March occupying

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other people's countries can I we are we

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are the equivalent of Hitler inability

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it's not a small Tyrant human rights

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inter a small Tyrant opposed to a big

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Tyrant why do you concentrate on the

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small Tyrant Bush and Blair have killed

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more people than Saddam Hussein ever

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dreamt of American imperialism and

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British imperialism before it killed

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more people than Saddam ever dreamt of

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killing is not that that may be a feel

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like the collateral damage of the

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incompetence of their Invasion isn't

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saying it's incompetence my problem is

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not with their incompetence but with the

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idea that powerful countries have the

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right to occupy smaller weaker countries

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I refused it uh uh in all of my familial

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life going back to my great-grandfather

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who left this country because he was an

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armed opponent of British occupation of

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Ireland I'm certainly not going to

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support British occupation of Iraq when

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I oppose the British occupation of

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Ireland moving on to someone else a

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dictator Fidel Fidel Castro um and you

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have who writes this stuff he is a

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dictator in what sense is he a dictator

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well in the sense that he is not

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democratically elected I mean there is

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only one George Bush I mean we could

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argue all day about George the point the

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point is Fidel has been there since the

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revolution which overthrew Batista and

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uh he will be there till the day he dies

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he over through a brutal American back

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dictator who was put in power by the

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United States states to keep Cuba as a

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bordello as a casino for the mafia and

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for the uh criminal classes of the

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United States of America you should

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thank him for that you should be

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grateful to him for that you should be

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grateful for the fact that he's turned

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Cuba into a beacon which is shining a

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path throughout the poor world what we

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call the third world which which which

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has left him after 40 years the most

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popular political leader in the entire

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world I'll tell you this Fidel Castro

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never asked anyone to pass the hat

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around to raise money Fidel Castro

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doesn't own a single dollar he doesn't

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own any more than the uniform on his

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back he's been 40 years in power and

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doesn't have a bank account Fidel Castro

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is the greatest leader of the third

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world that has been produced in the 20th

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century so don't call him a dict but he

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doesn't give his people a choice does he

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I mean you get Fidel or nobody well

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that's perh his brother that's the

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people that have have a longer life

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expectancy than they do in the

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Democratic United States whose children

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have lower rates of infant mortality

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than they do in the Democratic United

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States whose children go to kindergarten

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school University postgraduate entirely

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free whereas in the United States only

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the children of the rich or those

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prepared to get into debt are able to go

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to university Cuba is regarded by poor

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countries as an absolute model and it's

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done it all despite more than 40 Years

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of terrorism from the United States

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destabilization Invasion assassination

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plots Fidel has seen off 10 US

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presidents who together have mounted

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hundreds of assassination attempts and

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yet despite all that destabilization

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just 90 mil away from his beloved United

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States he has built something really

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precious I call it in the book a sprig

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of white Heather in the future how does

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he feel though but on the the territory

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of Cuba the presence of Guantanamo Bay

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well they're outraged by it the United

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States refuses to leave Guantanamo Bay

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it illegally occupies a part of Cuba

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which is bad enough and then it creates

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a human rights monstrosity where

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hundreds of people are incarcerated in

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cages in the in the tropics drugs

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forcibly administered into them tortured

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many of them committing suicide in a

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legal black hole that's a scar on the

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face of the world in somebody else's

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country and it's in Cuba because they'd

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never get away with it in the United

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States do you ever feel like a lonely

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voice in the wilderness contrary most

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people watching this agree with me they

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don't agree with him or implicitly with

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you I'm just doing my job George um one

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last thing that people the most

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memorable image of you they have is from

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Celebrity Big Brother okay you remember

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it the cat I was a tiger rather than a

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cat I'd rather be a cat than a poodle of

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George W bush do do you have any regrets

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about doing that no not at all uh I

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walked out of the Big Brother house and

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was immediately given a national radio

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show on talk sport radio every Saturday

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and Sunday night I've got thousands of

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listeners in Ireland by the way uh and

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I'm speaking to 3 million people in

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Britain every Saturday night and every

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Sunday night for two hours at a time and

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I'm about to go to three nights that

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came directly out of the Big Brother

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house but most importantly I raised a

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record amount of money for Palestinians

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in Gaza who are starving to death

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because they're under siege for having

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the tarity hey of voting in a democratic

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election but for the wrong party that's

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the Democracy that people like him

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support all right George um is there

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ever any way back for you into the

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British labor party is that no I think

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the labor party has been hijacked and

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and flown to only I mean terms of the

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big parties I mean the lib dams are they

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yet another cheek I'm afraid so if if an

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AR can have three Chiefs so where is

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there for people like you to go well we

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we've got our own party it's the fastest

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growing party in Britain we have more

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than 20 councilors we are the official

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opposition in two of London's main

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buroughs uh we are the first party for

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more than 60 years to win a seat in the

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British Parliament to the left of Labor

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uh and we are the party of the anti-war

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movement young people in particular

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support us because we're the anti-racist

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party and with the anti-war party and

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every decent person is Against Racism

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and against War so I think we've got a

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big future George Galloway thank you

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very much they were in a position to

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police the aftermath